By Etsuko
Ueda
I often hear from post menopausal
women who have been struggling trying to decide which is worse, doctor
prescribed hormone regimen or menopausal symptoms. The bottom line is: If you
do not feel well, something went wrong, and in most cases, it's hormone
overdose. It can be estrogen overdose, progesterone overdose, or both (use of
fake hormones is out of the question).
In June 2009, one person wrote me "I am 53 and have been using the Vivelle
.025 patch for hot flashes and mood swings for around 5 months. Feel great, but
then my doctor said I had to take the course of 12 days every 6 months of
progesterone as I still have my uterus. So, I took only two days of the
Prometrium 100 mg he prescribed and I got almost an allergic reaction to it,
facial and eye swelling and redness and started bleeding and cramping on day
two. I quit the prometrium after the second day and the bleeding lasted another
full week. Also came with horrible headaches that wouldn't go away."
It is very unfortunate, although typical, that her doctor did not know
progesterone cream (20~30mg
a day) can be used along with estradiol (continuous regimen) to suppress
uterine lining thickening (see Hormones: Dos and Don'ts).
Another person wrote me in November 2011 "I had a total hysterectomy about
5 years ago and have been fighting problems ever since. My doctor has
prescribed estradiol pill 1mg and I felt like crying all the time, so I
incorporated Progesterone cream and now I’ve gained about 8 lbs in 2 weeks and
have anxiety every morning. Also weird dreams. My libido has been in the toilet
for years now, my poor hubby."
Three months later, after having tried what I suggested, she wrote me saying
"I have used your dosages of all 3 hormones and they are perfect for me.
No more hot flashes, no crying all the time, And the libido has kicked in. I
can't thank you enough for your email. I have been to 3 different doctors and
not one has gotten it right, this is over a period of 4 years."
These cases illustrate some important points:
- Most
doctors are clueless or misinformed about hormone supplementation.
- Even a
ultra low dose of estradiol 0.025~0.050mg/day patch is effective against
menopausal symptoms, but stimulates uterine lining thickening if progesterone
is not used along with it.
- High dose
progesterone such as Prometrium 100 mg cause overdose problems (water
retention, tired and sluggish), and many women cannot tolerate it. I tried it
for 2 days and felt so terrible, that I threw it a way. Since Prometrium 100 mg
is the most commonly prescribed natural progesterone and many do not feel well
on it, many women end up exposing themselves to unnecessary hormone related
health risks either by taking estrogen alone or by giving up on hormone supplementation all together.
- If you add
progesterone to estrogen overdose, things can get worse, because progesterone
increases estrogen sensitivity by increasing estrogen receptors. (That's why
you need to start with progesterone first and then add estradiol at the lowest
dose and see if you need to increase it or not.)
How
can you tell when it's too much or not enough
Not enough
estrogen: Vaginal atrophy or dryness is the best way to tell if your
estrogen level has been enough or not, because estrogen seems just about the
only thing that matters. Progesterone can make estrogen work better, but no
amount of progesterone can prevent it if estrogen level is not adequate,
according to my experience. Commonly, people think hot flash is the sign of
menopause = low estrogen, but hot flash can happen even when estrogen is
secreted enough to trigger menstruation. Foggy brain is another sign, but it
can be transient. Furthermore, there are other diseases and conditions that can
trigger foggy brain, hot flashes and/or night sweat. Clinically,
endothelium dependent flow-mediated dilation (on-demand blood supply) becomes
weaker when estrogen is low, which has profound effects on your cardiovascular
health which affects the rest of the body as well (see Menopausal Symptoms And Cardiovascular Health, Menopause and How estrogen helps bone health?)
Too much
progesterone: As I pointed out in a case above, if you don't feel
well (swelling and other water retention related symptoms, as well as feeling
sleepy, sluggish, tired), that is a sure sign. Generally, you are safe in a
range of 10~40mg /day transdermal. 100mg is too much.
- The most
important thing to remember about progesterone overdose is this: Progesterone is known to have biphasic action on water
retention
and cellular calcium/magnesium ion
ratio.
"Biphasic action"
means that some of the beneficial effects will be lost and the opposite
effects may appear when you take too much progesterone.
- Water
retention and swelling
is commonly reported by people who are subjected to progesterone
overdose, while at a lower dose (10 to 40 mg/day) diuretic effect (facilitates urination, reduces intracellular
water) has been reported. The diuretic effect is attributed to the
progesterone's role in blocking mineralcorticoid, which gets lost if
progesterone is lacking or overdosed resulting in water retention and swelling by increased
deoxy-corticosterone, a potent mineralocorticoid, and 100mg oral dose is
enough to demonstrate this effect. This water retention from a lack of
progesterone or overdose is different from estrogen driven bloating which
is most pronounced around abdomen, although, both can coexist.
- Promotion
of intra-cellular magnesium
level is well known property of progesterone, while estrogen promotes
intra-cellular calcium. Together, these two hormones regulate cellular
calcium/magnesium ion ratio. This is the reason progesterone can be used
as a calcium blocker. However, when progesterone is overdosed, it seems
to lose this effect. As a result, your cells may not get enough
magnesium, calcium/magnesium ion ratio may shift in favor of calcium, and
you may experience something similar to estrogen dominance, which can
result in various harmful effects (Sex steroid hormones exert biphasic effects on
cytosolic magnesium ions in cerebral vascular smooth muscle cells:
possible relationships to migraine frequency in premenstrual syndromes
and stroke incidence. W Li, T Zheng, B M Altura, B T Altura,
2001).
Below are some of the harmful effects:
- The
cellular activities and regeneration get amplified (uterine lining gets
thicker, cancerous cells multiply faster)
- Your
brain cells get more excitable at higher level, brain seizures can get
triggered more easily, and get harder to calm down.
- Your
blood vessels and intestines go into spasm more easily, triggering heart
attacks and diarrheas.
- Magnesium
has been effectively used for some form of epilepsy such as eclampsia as
well as ADHD and PMS. Similarly, progesterone has been shown to reduce
Catamenial epilepsy and PMS, however, progesterone overdose may reduce
these benefits, although I have not seen any study designed to
demonstrate it.
- Progesterone and its metabolites Allopregnanolone work
as GABAa mediated sedative and make you feel calm at a right dosage, but
make you feel tired and sluggish, slowing down psychomotor, and digestive
functions at a higher dosage.
Again 100mg oral dose is enough to demonstrate this effect. (Administration of progesterone produces
mild sedative-like effects in men and women. Anna H V
Soderpalm, Sommer Lindsey, Robert H Purdy, Richard Hauger, Harriet de Wit,
2004; Effects of acute progesterone administration in healthy
postmenopausal women and normally-cycling women. H de Wit, L
Schmitt, R Purdy, R Hauger , 2001).
Not enough progesterone: Although
its health consequence is serious (see Safe Use of Hormones: the Hard Evidence), our
body does not seem to have a way to tell it reliably. One thing I notice when I
am off progesterone is irritable bowel: fatigue and stress can trigger cramping
and diarrhea too easily. Rubbing progesterone cream on abdomen can stop it
almost immediately. Clinically, if you use estrogen without progesterone, your
blood coagulation factors go up (your blood gets thicker and stickier, making
blood clots to form easily), just like your intestines, your cardiovascular
system goes into spasm more easily to trigger heart attacks (see Menopausal Symptoms And Cardiovascular Health),
and your uterine lining gets thicker, which can lead to heavy bleeding,
cramping, and uterine cancer. Please note that a menstruation with heavy
bleeding and/or cramping is not normal at any age, and it may be a sign of low
progesterone.
Skin and hair problems may also indicate not enough progesterone. In What
your Doctor May Not Tell You About Menopause , John R. Lee
pointed out skin problems such as acne, seborrhea, rosacea, psoriasis, and
keratoses in middle age and beyond may be an indication of not enough
progesterone. I personally witnessed keratoses (hard horn like growth) on a 80+
years old woman's leg disappear with progesterone cream applied directly on it.
So did a polyp like growth on my neck. Hair loss may be also an indication of
not enough progesterone. I personally witnessed white hair grow back on women
over 80 years old with progesterone cream in 3 to 6 months.
To get the maximum benefit of progesterone, be sure to supplement magnesium
about 300mg/day. Many of progesterone's biological effects are based on its
ability to increase intracellular magnesium (see PMS: The Underlying mechanism).
Too much
estrogen: Estrogen is a stimulant, not just to your brain but to
your entire body and some people even call it excite-toxin. Your brain becomes
more excitable (less controllable). It can amplify stress hormone responses to
psychosocial stress, as indicated in the following studies. It can also cause bloating
and other PMS like symptoms.
- The effects of sex and hormonal status on
restraint-stress-induced working memory impairment. Rebecca
Shansky, Katya Rubinow, Avis Brennan, Amy Arnsten 2006
- Short-term estradiol treatment enhances
pituitary-adrenal axis and sympathetic responses to psychosocial stress in
healthy young men. C Kirschbaum, N Schommer, I Federenko, J
Gaab, O Neumann, M Oellers, N Rohleder, A Untiedt, J Hanker, K M Pirke, D
H Hellhammer 1996
- Impact of progestins on estradiol potentiation of the
glutamate calcium response. Jon Nilsen, Roberta Diaz Brinton,
2002
Clinically, your new cell generation
gets accelerated: uterine lining gets thicker, more cancerous cells gets
generated, if there is not enough progesterone to control them (see What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Breast Cancer,
by John R. Lee, M.D. David Zava, Ph.D, and Virginia Hopkins, 2001).
Confusing
symptoms of not enough estrogen and too much estrogen
Women who go through natural
menopause transition experience symptoms associated with a volatile fluctuation
of hormones: Period may skip for a few months at a time, then you may be surprised by a heavy bleeding, often progesterone is
not secreted, estrogen can be extremely high or very low. Since low estrogen
leads to under-active parasympathetic system and overactive sympathetic system,
while too much estrogen (even with normal progesterone) can lead to hyperactive
brain, both low and high estrogen may lead to similar neural instability,
tension, and vulnerability to stresses.
The first thing to do during
menopausal transition is to start progesterone to minimize the risk of estrogen
dominance. However, starting progesterone when estrogen is very high can make
the symptoms worse, since it elevates estrogen sensitivity. The logical
solution is to start progesterone while estrogen is very low, that is shortly
after the start of your period. However, when it is highly irregular, it may
not be easy to tell when your estrogen level is low. In those cases, you might
want to start progesterone very slow. Whichever the case, it may take 3 month or more to stabilize your hormones. When you start to have menopausal
symptoms such as hot flashes and foggy brain, add ultra low dose of estradiol patch and/or DHEA to control the
symptoms and to reduce the bone ravaging stress hormones.
Too much
DHEA: As I reviewed in DHEA for Menopause, DHEA can cause skin/hair problems when overdosed. Therefore, my guideline
for DHEA dosage is: if you start to have oily hair/skull or pimples, it is too
much. For most people, 5 to 10mg/day (oral or transdermal) may be a safe and
effective level.
One-year therapy with 10mg/day DHEA alone or in combination with HRT in postmenopausal women: Effects on hormonal milieu.(Nicola Pluchino,
et. al. 2008) seems to agree. The good news is that a long term use of
DHEA strengthens the adrenal gland's capacity to produce DHEA in
response to adrenocorticotropic hormone (ACTH). Therefore, you may need
to lower the dosage after a while.
For more information, See:
Menopausal symptoms: What are we complaining?
Menopausal Symptoms And Cardiovascular Health
Menopause and What Really Happens to your Bones
Hormones: Dos and Don'ts
Safe Use of Hormones: the Hard Evidence
PMS: The Underlying mechanism
Important: You probably found this page because you had questions about hormones. I hope you have found the answer you have been looking for. If you are uncertain, please note the following:
Before you post your HRT questions, please try what I think safe and
effective for at least 3 months: estradiol 0.025~0.050mg/day patch, with
20~40mg/day progesterone cream (about 1000mg progesterone in 2oz
cream). You can also add DHEA 5~10mg /day.
That is the only recommendation you will get from me.